Matt Lee and John Kirby had a conversation on October 16 2014
2014-10-16 → 2014-10-17
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Origin: extracted from October 16 2014: Legendary US journalist Matt Lee tries to explain the military and geopolitical facts of life to Pentagon spokesman John Kirby regarding the planned expansion of NATO into Ukraine, and how that is the reddest of red lines for Russia · 2026-10-03 03:35